[Full-disclosure] Intense School finally goes under, bought up by k-mart of security companies
dan_20407 at msn.com
Wed Jun 22 13:44:11 BST 2005
Very interesting, but maybe in an obtuse kind of way, Larry has brought up a
good point. By the way I am also an instructor, who teaches at a local
college, I teach a Bachelor of Informaiton Security Program. I have 11 weeks
per term with 5 hours once a week to teach students what they will need to
be functional in the information security field. I have them for 2 years, so
realistically I have them for about 240 hours in total in those two years,
and this assumes they pay attention for those hours.
I don't think that any course could ever teach practical experience, if you
were looking for that, get a home network together and practice till your
fingers bleed. Volunteer in your local community to set up secure networks
for small companies, non-profits, disadvantaged schools. Get practical
experience. Any course you take, either Intense School, SANS, College is
going to teach you what they can in the period of time they have to teach
it. It will not be practable, it will be a benchmark in a long life long
learning process. In this industry if you stop learning, you become obsolete
in about a year.
It always depends on the student what they do with it. You referenced this:
where the person is basically saying, hey I knew that already, I didn't
learn anything new. You know that happens, life experience etc. When I took
my Intrusion course, I got to spend whole days out of the 6 because I knew
it already, I helped out the instructor with students that were not getting
it. Depends on what you are doing there and what you hope to get. I learned
lots helping out the other students that I would not have learned by sitting
on my butt complaining.
You mentioned that a company bought out intense school. If you look at the
margins for training dollars over the last 3 years, consolodation has to
happen to keep the companies profitable so they can stay open and do more
trainnig. This is happening everywhere across the tech industry, it has to
happen, it is happening, why are you complaining? The stronger the company,
the more people stay employed. If you really hate them, get employed by them
and show them how they should be doing it. It is always better to change a
culture from within than from without. You will be more effective by taking
Hey personal attacks, you know I laughed out loud when someone in this group
called me a "cyber punk doesn't know what he is saying", and I kept that
e-mail up on my wall because it is and was and will continue to be funny as
all get out.
Since you have not talked from fact or basis througout your rant, you had to
resort to a personal attack, there are better ways to spend your time, like
helping out the community, helping raise the standards. All certificates and
degrees in this do not confer actual practice in the field, they rather are
a bench mark along a path that says you can at least do something.
How you apply yourself is up to you.
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