[Full-disclosure] I'm ready to tell the police (Note I was goiong to retire from this one but I thought it deserves at least a sensible reply with real information
stevex11 at sbcglobal.net
Thu May 25 09:07:27 BST 2006
> On 5/22/06, Michael Silk <michaelslists at gmail.com> wrote:
>> yep, fd definately needs it's own tv show.
>> i'd watch it ...
> You think this is a joke? n3td3v was never a joke, but everyone on fd
> treated it like one. We're the biggest group around of rogue employees
> at major internet companies aka dot-coms... i'm ready to walk upto my
> local police sation right now just get hand them in, i'm not having a
> major breakdown... ive known them for 7 years and now im ready to hand
> myself in and give evidence against these guys at yahoo
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The problem is that thing that go whoosh by on the Internet these days
are often pretty out there so often eveyone gets covered by the same
broad brush whenver one believes/behaves strongly about something. I
haven't followed all of this but if you think you can prove your point
or convince some ADA (Assistant DA) to do something go try it. Santa
Clara Countys DAs aee known to be gung ho, although in police work it is
street work and gangs and all that stuff that is excitintg to them. The
arcance goings on in Internet Companies is often seen by them as
something that is the proverbial hard nut to crack and so unless it gets
attached to some hot button issue like (sigh**3) terrorism then it
doesn't go anywhere. Usually such investigations require that computer
experts have to be brought in from outside and they have to be dealt
with, unless the FBI can be gotten to be interested. Also if the charge
is generally that company A's employees or "your" (as in you plural) are
in some small cabal stealing company secrets it is often viewed by many
law enforcement types as the rough and tumble of business and is seen as
halfway "normal" or "disgusting but it's mpt like gang warfare man"
or not such a bread and butter of law enforcement sadly like drug
enforcement has become. White Collar types never seem really evil
unless there is a real Patrick Bateman out there;) too many people.
Patrick Bateman is figment of Bret Easton Ellis' imaagfination and that
is something one's accusation have to rise above in order to action out
of the autorities, in the case here you are talking about ADAs which is
assistant district attorneys who are the people you should try to bend
the ear of. However mira! vide infra! (Look Out Below!;)
So that's what you are up against. That and being labeled as the
disgruntled employee who for personal and emotional reasons just wants
to bring people down. Many a law enforcement type has got into some
investigation beased on someone's say so and they put lots of effort
into it and it came to nothing. The Law Enforecemnt types want to know
real clear details of wrongdoing, although they will listen a lot
sometimes. It has to be something real that has real details that
doesn't sound like a movie plot of spooky geek psychos from hells in
secret cabals to do spooky stuff a la Swordfish (the movie) which is
kind of what your accusations sound like right now to me.
Note a plea from us civil liberties types. If you are serious plesae try
to get your facts straight and don't spike it with a hot button issue to
get their attention like terroism or child pornography and sex crimes
with children or other legal attention getters unless there is factual
truth to it. Note even here the powers that be got burned dealing with
tech land. Remember the Java CoIventor who the powers that be tried to
pretty much harassed because he went to visit some yount thing via his
private jet and how there was a big furor and it all fell apart on the
authorities side. Note Well from all information we have this was the
correct thing because it was just a geek being geeky and running off to
see someone he wanted to chat with and din't care if she was 11 or 111
but just had some neat ideas. So please don't spike your ideas with
something hot just to get their attention.
right now I will be honestg, it does sound like a conspiracy story with
tales of "black hats" and a secert cabal that sets out to get people
hired based on their relationship to the secret cabal who are set up to
do things based in something liike "black hat social culture" and the
accusations is like trrading in yahoo secrets to Google, well without
proof the mind boggles. It is not like the internal knowledge of yahoo
is state secrets of any of the large powerful countries in the world.
Please done't muddy the water by spreading clouds of unpoved or
unprovable accusations, we are already dealing with a word in which hot
button issue worriess, like terrorism here, and terrorism and especially
paedophilia in the UK have really got prosecutors and The Crown in the
UK having too much power already and causing lots of subtle but very
real and often very brutal civil liberties erosion and this should be
stgopped not fed. A lot of this is based on absurd accusations from
people whose idea of reality is very flexible and somewhat questionable.
Please don't be one of them. I can understand not wanting to disclose
details under the fear thatg things could get hidden but in general I
hope you really have more details that your shadowy accusations posted
to the list of a secret cabal of black hats doing evil deeds. Please
make sure there is something more to this. In the past I have had to
sort through questionable dealing and accusations of x against y about z
that never did rise to the point where anything should be done and I did
in indeed say "No, not on my watch, you need real proof before things
can be done..." Anyway Good Luck and make sure you've got a real case,
go talk to an ADA and indeed tell us what happened and we will watch and
see what happens.
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