[Full-disclosure] [Professional IT Security Providers - Exposed] Cybertrust ( C + )
elazar at hushmail.com
elazar at hushmail.com
Thu Dec 20 16:49:23 GMT 2007
"Public facing websites are usually outsourced to professional
arts firms and developed under the supervision of the Director of
Business Development. It's usually a solid pile of fluffy
buzzwords and crap."
Its sad how true this is. What makes it worse is half the time the
Director of Business Development doesn't even understand what the
company does. Unfortunately, in many companies, there is a huge
disconnect between the marketing side and those who actually
deliver the services. Someone had mentioned before that reviewing
companies based on their site was like reviewing a restaurant based
on their menu. Actually, this is worse, because at least at a
restaurant, generally, what is on the menu is what is served, this
isn't always the case with a corporate website. You have a very
good idea, however, trying to cut through marketing fluff on
website isn't going to leave you with much of anything because
there is nothing there to begin with.
On a side note, you had reviewed RA Security. My company has used
them in the past, and I do agree that their site may be a bit
disorganized but I have found them to be very professional and easy
to work with.
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:20:57 -0500 trains <trains at doctorunix.com>
>I am a pentester and IDS/IPS administrator for a large-ish
>firm. None of our tech staff worked on the corporate web site.
>are too busy, and frankly, it's just not my bag.
>Public facing websites are usually outsourced to professional
>arts firms and developed under the supervision of the Director of
>Business Development. It's usually a solid pile of fluffy
>I like where you are going, you're just not there yet. Your
>methodology is weak. You need to review the "actionability" of
>deliverables. Ask for sanitized sample reports.
>The argument of who has the most leet hackers is unmeasurable and
>pointless. For commercial security firms the real criteria needs
>be focused on the business process that helps their clients
>their overall security posture. Not just, "I found an XSS on your
>site", but how is the security infrastructure being managed and
>Try looking at the "actionability" aspect of the companies'
>deliverables and see if you don't get better findings.
>Some possible things to look for:
> Do they include a screen shot for every finding?
> Do they correlate each finding to a specific spot of code in
> Do they work with your developers to assist with remediation
> How much app dev experience do the pentesters have?
> Do they have Language and framework specialists on staff to
>each finding and make relevant remediation recommendations?
> Do they meet with the security team, the networking team, the
>server support team and the developer team separately in break-out
>sessions with specialists in each area?
> Does every finding include a recommendation for permanent
>Please get better. I like where you are going, you're just not
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