[Full-disclosure] Offensive Security Backtrack Training
beenthere at hush.com
Fri Mar 14 02:10:40 GMT 2008
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Kern <timetrap at gmail.com> wrote:
I think "security underground" implies unemployed.
does that imply i'm wrong or less advantaged to make an opinion
I don't think the correct definition here is "employed" or
"unemployed" I'm thinking the w0rd of the day is "Employ-able..."
"Worried", while it's wonderful to think there are people like
yourself that are out there willing to help those in need for
phree, but can you really blame someone for wanting to profit on
their knowledge, especially if it's done with considerations as far
as an ability to pay?
My God, I've been there. Pun intended, the moniker being
bittersweet as it is...and I have carried a torch, did the
Information Yearns trek, all of it...and found myself...very, very
poor. While I could astound my colleagues with exploits out the
ass, I created a much larger and negative impact by going off-line.
I couldn't pay my ISP and the neighbor started to finally use WPA
with a new-found knowledge of esoteric Czechoslovakian phrases. I
Most people have to make a living. Sometimes people get lucky and
thoroughly get to enjoy what they do and get paid for it...in our
case, if I look at the demographics and skillset, that's entirely
possible..think about it...getting paid to find out heinously cool
If someone isn't employed, well, there's geography and certain past
gov't sanctions that might inhibit working in a place that employs
more than, well, two people. At least in North America, anyway.
I guess what I'm trying to say here is that it's not a sellout when
someone has responsibility for more than themselves, and unlike
most fields, if someone in our industry is charging an assload for
shitty security know-how, I can't think of a quicker or more
capricious audience than all of us here on Full-Disclosure.
There is profit in performance. And if that feeds my family, gosh,
I'm OK with that...and anyone else doing the same. The weird thing
about it all is that someone might learn something if they aren't
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