[Full-disclosure] BBC cybercrime probe backfires
tbiehn at gmail.com
Fri Mar 13 21:04:48 GMT 2009
Here's one to mull over.
Is changing someone's mind with relentless logic tantamount to
'breaking and entering' into their mind?
On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Elazar Broad <elazar at hushmail.com> wrote:
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> I am inclined to agree, except that you still have issues with the
> electronic equivalent of breaking and entering. Case in point,
> there is a good chance you would be arrested and prosecuted if you
> opened the door to another persons dwelling which did not have a
> lock installed, and installed a lock and left him/her the key,
> simply because you entered their property without permission. From
> a ethics perspective, most people would judge you a good Samaritan,
> you helped someone else protect their property, however the law
> doesn't see it that way, primarily because of the fact that, if you
> don't have permission to be there, chances are you are not wanted
> there, no matter what your intentions may be.
> As far as hijacking bot nets, one who steals from a thief may be a
> thief, but one who stops one in the act is a hero. Bot nets are
> always "in the act"...
> On Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:00:47 -0400 T Biehn <tbiehn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>More people should hijack machines and push updates to them if
>>users are unable or unwilling.
>>First an Analogy:
>>If someone's letting money launders use their bank account to
>>money out of INACTION that's still illegal, the same SHOULD be
>>people who leave their systems unpatched.
>>These machines are negligently left open to be used in 'nefarious
>>Plan of Action:
>>It's your civic duty to write worms, hijack botnets and patch
>>with or without user consent.
>>This is absolutely moral holding to the various tests (is it self
>>defeating if -everyone- does it etc etc)
>>Just don't get caught doing it.
>>I'm disgusted by the imposition that you'd decry their actions for
>>being illegal when they were clearly moral and represent a net
>>for society. Haven't you heard of this guy called Gandhi who
>>subscribe to the arbitrary superficial morality provided by the
>>of the law and only acted on what he knew to be moral?
>>It's time to elevate yourself out of your own mind-slime and into
>>We all still have a long way to go.
>>On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 9:00 AM, Castigliola, Angelo
>><ACastigliola at unum.com> wrote:
>>> Very unorthodox and unethical.
>>> Angelo Castigliola III
>>> EISRM - Application Security Architecture
>>> acastigliola at unum.com
>>> Disclaimer: The opinions expressed are my own personal opinions
>>and do not
>>> represent my employer's view in any way.
>>> From: full-disclosure-bounces at lists.grok.org.uk
>>> [mailto:full-disclosure-bounces at lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of
>>> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 8:10 AM
>>> To: Ivan .
>>> Cc: full-disclosure
>>> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] BBC cybercrime probe backfires
>>> I agree! Why can't another people hack into computers to
>>show.... This is
>>> such BS and the BBC should be hit hard by what they did.
>>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Ivan . <ivanhec at gmail.com>
>>>> The BBC hacked into 22,000 computers as part of an
>>>> cybercrime but the move quickly backfired, with legal experts
>>>> the broadcaster broke the law and security gurus saying the
>>>> went too far.
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