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<P><FONT SIZE=2>So, your wise solution:<BR>
Unplug everything until users RTFM and/or spend another 70 dollars on a simple LinkSys NAT device.<BR>
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The users bought a computer, they bought broadband. Is it too much to expect that they drop some cash to protect their investment. They don't have to understand HOW it works, only that it does.<BR>
<BR>
Apparrently your solution is a null set. Ineresting... I'l begin deploying Etch-A-Sketches tomorrow.<BR>
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As to your derision... Well, how quaint and acedemic of you. I expect next you should resort to insults about my mother, and maybe some leet speak. I wait with anticipation ever growing.<BR>
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Remember friend, the sum of your stunning retort was insult followed by a null solution. Your debating skills are, well, weak<BR>
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Robert Liebsch, I.T.<BR>
Stone Yamashita Partners<BR>
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Stone Yamashita Partners,<BR>
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-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: John Ruppert <likewhoa_666@hotmail.com><BR>
To: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com <full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com><BR>
Sent: Thu Jun 05 07:06:43 2003<BR>
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm<BR>
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>From: "Robert J. Liebsch" <rliebsch@stoneyamashita.com><BR>
>To: "Schmehl, Paul L" <pauls@utdallas.edu><BR>
>CC: <full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com><BR>
>Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm<BR>
>Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:57:12 -0700<BR>
><BR>
>worse than HTML email... Exchange<BR>
<BR>
worse than Exange... it's Users.<BR>
<BR>
>*eep*<BR>
<BR>
Please continue.<BR>
<BR>
>I have mixed emotions about making ppl understand security. Users are<BR>
>rather<BR>
>stupid by nature.<BR>
>Otherwise, I wouldn't have a job.<BR>
<BR>
Now that's a fun sentence, you have to admit it.<BR>
<BR>
"Users are rather stupid by nature. Otherwise, I wouldn't have a job."<BR>
<BR>
Let's analyse this. It's not hard to understand.<BR>
Translation:<BR>
"I am not smart enough to handle intelligent people."<BR>
<BR>
>I think however, having them use the software and equipment, making<BR>
>natural,<BR>
>and letting them<BR>
>watch the news and read the magazines, and talk to the clients about "oh,<BR>
>that worm/virus/hack,<BR>
>didn't affect us.<BR>
<BR>
wtf? News are evil. News is business. News are not facts and influence the<BR>
world's population<BR>
way of thinking.<BR>
<BR>
>I cannot make users understand why they need to change passwords. They<BR>
>argue<BR>
>and whine and<BR>
>cry alot, but they do change those passwords.<BR>
<BR>
erase their data once and they will never cry alot again.<BR>
<BR>
>My wife, my family are not tech savvy folks. But they humor me and they<BR>
>take<BR>
>precautions, then<BR>
>they patiently listen to their friends and collegues complain about virii,<BR>
>ftp and irc servers they were<BR>
>unwittingly running on thier systems. Then I get to overhear my family say<BR>
>things like "well why don't<BR>
>you have a Router/Firewall thingy... it works for me"<BR>
><BR>
>9out of 10, that silly little NAT on the linksys is enough to ward off<BR>
>penetrations to home computers, for<BR>
>home manual non-reading users.<BR>
<BR>
Just so you know, unplugging the wire solves 10 out of 10.<BR>
<BR>
-likewhoa<BR>
How do you plan to change the world, today ?<BR>
<BR>
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"I like to control my brain with my brain."<BR>
-Harden<BR>
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