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<DIV>----- Original Message -----
<DIV>From: "myuu" <<A href="mailto:myuu@pojo.com">myuu@pojo.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>To: "Kristian Hermansen" <<A
href="mailto:khermansen@ht-technology.com">khermansen@ht-technology.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:56 AM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Google FILTERS searches for possible
DMCAinfringable content!!!</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>> First off this has been in place for a couple weeks, second
it was<BR>> pretty well publicized when it was added.<BR>> <BR>>
Anyway, would you rather not see any notice at all? Seems more<BR>>
reasonable that they would at least admit to it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Even if it is old news, which I was unaware, the
Kazaa filtering is new as of September 12th. I can't believe that it is
even possible to allow this kind of activity. What is going to happen if
this sets a precedent for other companies? I don't want every company in
the world writing letters to Google referencing the DMCA and not allowing me to
get my search results. That's ludicrous! The internet was created to
be a medium for information exchange. Google of all people should fight
this since they are an information querying engine. What ever happened to
the Freedom of Information Act? Guess it went right out the window with
all of our civil rights after 9/11...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV>----- Original Message -----
<DIV>From: "Mary Landesman" <<A
href="mailto:mlande@bellsouth.net">mlande@bellsouth.net</A>></DIV>
<DIV>To: "Kristian Hermansen" <<A
href="mailto:khermansen@ht-technology.com">khermansen@ht-technology.com</A>></DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:03 PM</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Google FILTERS searches for possible DMCA
infringable content!!!</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>> I've noticed this with other searches. In other words, I
don't believe this<BR>> is Google's first foray into selective
filtering.<BR>> <BR>> I use Dogpile quite a bit for this very reaso, and
have found them in most<BR>> cases to be a better source. (Some things, like
group searches, require<BR>> Google).<BR>> <BR>> Specifically regarding
their invoking the DCMA, perhaps they were threatened<BR>> with abetting and
their hand was forced. OTOH, other rumors have been<BR>> circulating
regarding Google's close ties with the NSA.<BR>> <BR>> They are a private
company, meaning they are largely unaccountable<BR>> (publicly) for their
actions, so it's rather difficult to know which side of<BR>> the fence they
are sitting on. Certainly this recent decision of theirs does<BR>> not bode
well for it being on the side of the users. :-)<BR>> <BR>> -- Mary</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ties to the NSA? Where did you hear
this? If it turns out to be true, I will no longer be using
Google...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=exibar@thelair.com href="mailto:exibar@thelair.com">Exibar</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=khermansen@ht-technology.com
href="mailto:khermansen@ht-technology.com">Kristian Hermansen</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:32
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Full-Disclosure] Google
FILTERS searches for possible DMCA infringable content!!!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=227583001-02102003>I got
a hit for Kazaa lite on the first page....are you sure that you're not an
employee of sharman networks trying to get more searches for Kazaa Lite so it
will get to the top of Google's listing? </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=227583001-02102003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=227583001-02102003> sure sounds like it to
me.....</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=227583001-02102003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff><SPAN class=227583001-02102003>
<P class=g><A href="http://www.softnews.ro/public/cat/10/6/10-6-25.shtml"><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000cc size=2>Download <B>Kazaa</B> Lite K++ 2.4.2 - Improved
version of <B>Kazaa</B> LITE !</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><B>...</B> <B>Kazaa</B> Lite K++ 2.4.2, Subscribe to this program,
Developer, <B>...</B> ENGLISH.<BR>A spyware free version of <B>Kazaa</B>, with
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color=#008000>www.softnews.ro/public/cat/10/6/10-6-25.shtml - 68k -
</FONT></FONT></FONT><A class=fl
href="http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:uDwPCnN7_ngJ:www.softnews.ro/public/cat/10/6/10-6-25.shtml+kazaa&hl=en&ie=UTF-8"><FONT
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<P class=g><SPAN class=227583001-02102003><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Exibar</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=g><SPAN class=227583001-02102003><FONT
color=#000000></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=g><SPAN class=227583001-02102003><FONT color=#000000>First of all, I'm
NOT an employee of Sharman Networks. And, you must not have noticed that
your search yeilded a russian download site with an OLD version of the
client. The OFFICIAL page was never revealed to
you...</FONT></SPAN></P><SPAN class=227583001-02102003>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title=gui@goddessmoon.org href="mailto:gui@goddessmoon.org">Poof</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com
href="mailto:full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com">full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:57
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Full-Disclosure] Google
FILTERS searches for possible DMCA infringable content!!!</DIV>
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<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yeah... But if you read
the complaint that they show it gives the URLs there ^^<?xml:namespace prefix =
o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">But, yeah, I dislike
how the DMCA allows this. =/<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">You can show somebody
doing/buying drugs on TV… Which tells people how to get them etc… But you can’t
do the same thing online…<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Sucks
eh?</SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><FONT
color=#000000>...Yeah, really sucks...</FONT></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p><FONT
color=#000000>Kristian Hermansen</FONT></o:p></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></P></o:p></SPAN></FONT></DIV></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>