<div>InfoSecBOFH,</div>
<div>Show me on the doll where they touched you. You should see a therapist to get a grip on all your issues. And why would you talk shit about Clement? He has done so much for the Infosec community.<br> </div><br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/24/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">InfoSecBOFH</b> <<a href="mailto:infosecbofh@gmail.com">infosecbofh@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Bottom line is... and you can ignore the SANS instructor/SANS zealot post...<br><br>SANS = SHIT.<br><br>Now that I am in a position with my employer to hire and fire
<br>people... I will not even consider an applicant who touts his SANS<br>certification as something to be proud of or something to make him<br>more skilled than the next.<br><br>And, now that I am in a senior position at my employer, I am doing
<br>everything I can to stop my employer from paying the EXTORTION fees to<br>SANS in order to be a part of their what works program and any of<br>their training.<br><br>You know what makes me smile everyday... the knowledge in knowing that
<br>I am not the only senior infosec person at a major corporation who<br>feels this way about SANS.<br><br>Fuck SANS. FUCK EM ALL!<br><br><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sans#without">http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=sans#without
</a><br><br>sans ( P ) Pronunciation Key (snz, sä)<br>prep.<br>Without.<br><br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>[Middle English, from Old French, blend of Latin sine, without, and
<br>absenti, in the absence of, ablative of absentia, absence from absns,<br>absent- present participle of abesse, to be away. See absent.]<br><br>On 11/23/05, <a href="mailto:senator.crabgrass@comcast.net">senator.crabgrass@comcast.net
</a><br><<a href="mailto:senator.crabgrass@comcast.net">senator.crabgrass@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>> Maybe it is not what you know but who you know. Best of luck with that grail thing, finding it is veiled, holding it is easy, keeping it polished is where the work is.
<br>><br>> --<br>> vote for me<br>><br>><br>> > On 11/23/05, <a href="mailto:senator.crabgrass@comcast.net">senator.crabgrass@comcast.net</a><br>> > <<a href="mailto:senator.crabgrass@comcast.net">
senator.crabgrass@comcast.net</a>> wrote:<br>> > > ... the cert game is nothing more than a lucrative revenue generator. For<br>> > either the test givers or the vender pusher or the land of test king.<br>
> ><br>> > a few respectable names in their roster[1]; i wonder why they don't<br>> > name the instructor giving each presentation on their conference<br>> > schedule[2]...<br>> ><br>> > i have a theory: the more legitimately skilled you are, the less you
<br>> > instruct and the more you are paid. a nice way to convert reputation<br>> > into ca$h!<br>> ><br>> > [maybe i can get in on this racket once i attain the holy grail of<br>> > CPA, GCFW, CISSP, CISM, CISA, CCNA, CCSE, CCSA, GIAC, GCIA, GSNA,
<br>> > GCFA, GCIH, GCUX, GSEC, QUE, WTFBBQ]<br>> ><br>> > 1. <a href="http://www.sans.org/instructors.php">http://www.sans.org/instructors.php</a><br>> > 2. <a href="http://www.sans.org/index.php">
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