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<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
suspect rather that DHS needs to first acquire the expertise to deal with these
issues, and participate as</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>helpers rather than as directors. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Nanog
has dealt with interruptions to the Internet in the past, with success enough
that most people are unaware that</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>major
problems ever occurred. There is no reason to expect anyone in government could
do as well, and blocking</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>discussion (the general effect of banning it in "public places" - ever
work on a spook job?) would have made the</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>recovery in the last outage I heard about impossible.
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Unfortunately, wisdom and knowledge do not automatically come with
authority. DHS has authority, at least within the</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>US,
but has not the record of accomplishment that Nanog has. Let them come forward
with improved routing codes that</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>are
not subject to attacks, or with protocols that can be seen to be better than are
current, get them discussed, and</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>act to
facilitate (often = "pay for") changing over to such, and this would provide the
kind of reputation that would get</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>them
followed and improve safety without writing mandates that could make things
worse. They should of course be open</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>to
competing designs also, since others may come up with better designs.
Participating in this way would show</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>wisdom.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Glenn
Everhart</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>(speaking for myself)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=848075516-24102007></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
full-disclosure-bounces@lists.grok.org.uk
[mailto:full-disclosure-bounces@lists.grok.org.uk]<B>On Behalf Of </B>worried
security<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, October 24, 2007 12:32 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Full-disclosure] DHS
need to get on top of this right now<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>I'm sorry everyone I was just trying to highlight a valid point, i
didn't expect a flame war to errupt.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The DHS need to ban ISP's from talking about infrastructure security in
public places. it should be classified information don't you all think?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Just because Nanog has been offending for years by talking about similar
subjects doesn't mean its ok and action should be taken now to prevent the
continuation of critical infrastructure security recovery be talked about in
public. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>For anyone who does care about what i'm talking about, I <FONT
size=2>apologize about the trolls in my thread who told me I worked in Mc
Donalds and KFC.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I know not everyone hates me so perhaps we can have mature
discussions about the DHS and Nanog instead of bashing each other saying I work
in Mc Donalds, KFC etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>n3td3v</DIV></BODY></HTML>
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