This is a breathtakingly candid post. for once.<br><br>thank you!<br><br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 11/17/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">worried security</b> <<a href="mailto:worriedsecurity@googlemail.com">
worriedsecurity@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0; margin-right: 0; margin-bottom: 0; margin-left: 0; margin-left: 0.80ex; border-left-color: #cccccc; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex">
On Nov 14, 2007 11:33 PM, Dan Egerstad <<a href="mailto:dan.egerstad@gmail.com">dan.egerstad@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Do you know the powers? Powerrangers? Can they help me? Ohhh please help me<br>> ohhh you mighty...
<br>><br>> I'm free, kicking and not charged for shit... don't know who you are and<br>> couldn't care less but it does give something to laugh at =)<br>> Go play with the other kids now<br>><br>
> //D<br><br>At the end of the day you're the dude with the secret service<br>following you everywhere you go now in real life for at least the next<br>6 /12 months or longer I would imagine.<br><br>Enjoy the privacy or not as the case maybe.
<br><br>Sleepless nights, looking out your window every five minutes, turning<br>round in the street seeing if anyones following you and generally not<br>being able to trust people around you because they might be the secret
<br>service. Not knowing who the next phone call will be from, knowing<br>everything you do on the internet is being watched by a human, every<br>keystroke, every e-mail, every draft.<br><br>I've been there, done that, bought the t-shirt.
<br><br>Its paranoia and it destroys you!!! It crushes you, this whole<br><a href="http://derangedsecurity.com">derangedsecurity.com</a> stuff will crush you mentally if it hasn't<br>already. I'm talking from experience, i've gone through these phrases
<br>of paranoia, it'll eat you alive.<br><br>Maybe you're not feeling it yet, but it will creep up on you in a short while.<br><br>Thats the down side to doing big hacks, the mental strain of not<br>knowing if you've got away with it or not.
<br><br>One day you'll wish you hadn't your picture on those news articles and<br>you hadn't drawn attention to yourself, it may take a few months for<br>it to kick in if it hasn't already.<br><br>The only reason its not already kicked in if it hasn't is you're
<br>young, guilible and immature, and you're still feeding off the ego<br>rush of the media attention right now, but later in life it'll hit<br>you!!!<br><br>You're thinking "i've not been charged for shit". The possibility of a
<br>criminal charge is the least of the problems which comes with fame,<br>being known by a large amount of people is a bad experience walking<br>down the street, trying to get employed by people and generally<br>operating as a normal person in life.
<br><br>You wonder all the time "Does he know!, "Do they know". And you get<br>the people who do know, know everything about you, but you've never<br>met them in your life before, and it scares you!<br>
<br>I've been approached by people in real life who know more about me and<br>what I do online than I do, it ain't nice.<br><br>Strange people start being a part of your life, and you know why, but<br>its never officially confirmed by anyone. The paranoia and suspicion
<br>destroys you.<br><br>But basically you get the worlds intelligence services following you<br>around from different countries with different agendas to find out<br>things about you.<br><br>I imagined at first it would just be one team of survallience from one
<br>country, but you end up having folks from a handful of countries<br>following you about in everyday life. And those individual<br>survallience teams aren't connected with each other. You can be<br>walking down a busy high street with a crowd of folks all around you,
<br>you think are legitimate folks, but they are actually secret service<br>from multiple countries working independently of each other, who don't<br>know each other, but they all have one thing in common, they are<br>
following you!!!!<br><br>It sent the shitters up me and it'll do the same to you.<br><br>And you get the folks who have nothing to do with government following<br>you around, and thats the scarist part. You get independant
<br>investigators following you around from the worlds security companies<br>who have their own intelligence wings. The big corporations hire folks<br>to do this, just for the sake of knowing intelligence about you. And<br>
then you just get the normal weirdos following you about who aren't a<br>part of any government or private investigation company, and thats<br>what is the worst part. Oh, and the random people who claim to be news<br>
journalists, who could actually be anyone, walking upto you, knocking<br>at your door, e-mailing etc. You take the first interview, then you<br>realise, that could of been anyone. It screws you up in the head<br>afterwards.
<br><br>When you become public in the security community, its not the secret<br>service which are the biggest problems, there are 100's of companies<br>who follow you about because they want their own intelligence about
<br>you. You see all these websites that offer intelligence, who aren't<br>the government but offer yahoo,google etc intelligence on folks and<br>get paid for it, its not just technical intelligence they have,<br>they've got folks checking up on you in real life too.
<br><br>who's gonna be on your tail for a while:<br><br>secret services (world wide) they follow you for national security<br>reasons to build a real life profile of you.<br><br>security companies (world wide) they follow you to build a real life
<br>profile on you so they know if you're a threat to thier corporate<br>dot-com customers, so they can best advise corporate security teams in<br>the future should you become a repeat offender or determine if you're
<br>likely to be and who you meet in real life who might be part of the<br>whole hacker thing with you.<br><br>news journalists (world wide) they just follow you for the scoop, some<br>of them announce themselves, others work undercover.
<br><br>freelance weirdos (world wide) these are just people who want to<br>follow you about because they think they have a reason to.<br><br>Enjoy it man, enjoy it. I've been there, send me a postcard won't you<br>
when you get there. ;) You'll be making a whole bunch of new friends<br>who you think are your actual friends in the near future but they are<br>all from these places!!!!!! I speak from personal experince this isn't
<br>a kid around, it actually happened to me. The reality and hidden<br>pitfalls of being a known hacker ain't pretty.<br><br>By being a known hacker, you thrown your privacy away pretty much for<br>a long while.<br><br>
I would rather it was just the secret services following me, than all<br>the other folks who come attached who want to know everything about<br>your on and more disturbingly, offline activities.<br><br>n3td3v<br><br>_______________________________________________
<br>Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.<br>Charter: <a href="http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html">http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html</a><br>Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - <a href="http://secunia.com/">
http://secunia.com/</a><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Francesco Vaj [CISSP - GIAC]<br>CSS Security Researcher<br>mailto:<a href="mailto:vaj@nospam.xssworm.com">vaj@nospam.xssworm.com</a><br>aim: XSS Cross Site
<br>------<br>XSS Cross Site Scripting Attacks<br>Web 2.0 Application Security Information Blog (tm) 2007<br><a href="http://www.XSSworm.com/">http://www.XSSworm.com/</a><br>------<br>"Vaj, bella vaj."