well I will miss all your fan mail from the past. maybe i will forward them to the list one day for other's entertainment<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 2, 2008 9:55 PM, scott <<a href="mailto:redhowlingwolves@bellsouth.net">
redhowlingwolves@bellsouth.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>Hash: SHA1
<br><br>An your earth-shattering views are *SO* important,you must make sure<br>everyone hears you.I think you just like to see your own posts.<br><br>I'm filtering your posts from now on as they are nothing but from a
<br>wanna-be trying to play kids games in a mans world.<br><br>I shouldn't waste my time responding to a teeny- bopper,anyway.<br><br>Scott<br><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">reepex wrote:<br>> So you included me in here because my name has something to do with farm
<br>> equipment? Did your message have a point?<br>><br>> You wrote a bunch of nonsense flattering your favorite security stars and<br>> then attempted to flame us with one liners that did not make sense.. It<br>
> seems you are caught in between the serious posters ( since you have no<br>> skill, you cannot post anything useful), and the trolls ( because you are<br>> not funny or convincing ).<br>><br>> My version of full disclosure is calling out idiots with Cissps and
<br>Phds who<br>> post here and think their XSS and earth shattering barragess of 0x41's<br>makes<br>> them security experts.<br>><br>> On Jan 2, 2008 10:46 AM, <<a href="mailto:31415926@hush.ai">31415926@hush.ai
</a>> wrote:<br>><br>>> Critical Vulnerability in [Full-Disclosure]<br>>><br>>> The problem with full disclosure is that everyone feels the need to<br>>> fully disclose, even when their opinion and the information they
<br>>> are purporting to impart is, well, bollocks. You can't tell them to<br>>> shut up as they think they're important and the internet gives them<br>>> balls of steel and verbal diarhoea, so we stumble from one tired
<br>>> flamewar to another with no useful content being published.<br>>><br>>> It's embarrassing.<br>>><br>>> I'm an advocate of FD as a concept. I believe that there is no such<br>>> thing as an innocent on the internet and if you really are that
<br>>> dumb, then you deserve everything you get. FD (as one of many like-<br>>> minded lists) forces the vendors to patch or die and eventually<br>>> write quality code. FD (the concept, not the list) is the ultimate
<br>>> nuclear deterrent, without the mutually assured destruction lunacy.<br>>><br>>> I have watched the posters to this list for some time. By far the<br>>> vast majority are transparently kiddies, sitting on their painted-
<br>>> up laptops thinking of themselves as the techno-brats in the film<br>>> "Hackers" and hoping to grow up to be like the guy in the film<br>>> "Swordfish". They write in l33t5p34k and think that this somehow
<br>>> makes them informed. Kiddies are the lowest form of life in the<br>>> hierarchy of information security and in the IT industry generally.<br>>><br>>> You know who you are and so does everyone else. You are fools, and
<br>>> an embarrassment to the craft:<br>>> Secreview (review of products/services you have never bought, are<br>>> you the <a href="http://goatse.cz" target="_blank">goatse.cz</a> receiver?)<br>>> Reepex (Isn't a reepex a bit of farm machinery?)
<br>>> Gobbles (A nickname for a gay male prostitute)<br>>> Morning Wood (The holy grail of the viagra-abuser)<br>>> Gmaggro ("high value target selection", are you completely cocking<br>>> stupid?)
<br>>><br>>> Oh, the outrage.<br>>><br>>> I can see it now. there will be armies of skiddies demanding that<br>>> the l33tz hack this f@cker, spam him, pwn him, and post defamatory<br>>> messages concerning her skills and possible employment
<br>>> opportunities for her and her mother everywhere possible. Guess<br>>> what, kids? I don't care.<br>>><br>>> No, not even a little bit. Do what you like, I could care less and<br>>> no one else cares if you live or die tonight, you sad, acne'd
<br>>> little dewdrops.<br>>><br>>> Calmed down yet?<br>>><br>>> Good. I want you to consider something.<br>>><br>>> The FD list consists of the following content (and what it has to
<br>>> say):<br>>><br>>> Advisories by vendors (we fixed this)<br>>> Advisories by individuals (I tested that and found this)<br>>> Advisories by infosec organisations (we found this)<br>>> Funnies (self explanatory)
<br>>> Opinions (this sucks, what about that?)<br>>> Skids (I did this, aren't I great, everyone else sucks?)<br>>> Trolls (you suck)<br>>> Trawlers (I have something 0day to buy or sell)<br>>>
<br>>> The top three (ie the useful content) is available in any one of a<br>>> hundred places, the bottom three are noise. The only people<br>>> interested in the noise are those who keep track of it for a
<br>>> living.<br>>><br>>> So, consider that by posting anything in the bottom three<br>>> categories, you are drawing the attention of those who take an<br>>> interest in your sad efforts to destabilise the technical crutch of
<br>>> society. These people are better than you in every important way,<br>>> and if you so much as tiptoe across one of their lines, you'll wind<br>>> up sharing a cell with a 7ft gorilla called george with a dead
<br>>> mouse and a pressing need to dry-cornhole your ringpiece 3 times a<br>>> night and twice on sundays. Do yourselves a favour and STFU.<br>>><br>>> What's left?<br>>><br>>> The funnies and the opinions. I've laughed my tits off at posts by
<br>>> Mssrs Coderman, Diggle, Dripping, VanWinkle and Mengele, and i've<br>>> been interested by a few others who will remain nameless as I can't<br>>> list them all. Long live full disclosure, but keep in mind that
<br>>> you're only legends in your own bedrooms.<br>>><br>>> later, pi<br>>><br>>> --<br>>> Click to get a free auto insurance quotes from top companies.<br>>><br>>><br>
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